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Bud Conrad: Japan Is Forcing Us out of the Eye and into the Storm

The User's Profile Adam Taggart March 18, 2011
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Bud Conrad, Casey Research's chief economist, believes that our historic paradigm of continuous economic growth has reached an end.  In his view, we have been funding growth in recent decades via first issuing an unsustainable amount of public and private debt, and more recently by runaway money printing. This has led to a temporary sense of calm – which Bud calls the 'eye of the storm' – which he believes we are now emerging from into much more troubled waters.

The tragic developments in Japan are likely to serve as one of (probably several) the catalysts that will trigger market dislocations that will accelerate the collapse. He and Chris are concerned that the global economy is unprepared for the world's third largest economy to quickly shift from being a net exporter of goods and funding to a consumer of them.

Click the play button below to listen to Chris' interview with Bud Conrad (runtime 43m:33s):

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In this podcast, Bud and Chris explore: 

  • Excessive debt creation and money printing 
  • The risk of currency collapse
  • The energy and economic impacts of the Fukushima disaster
  • The growing global energy crunch
  • The spectre of resource wars in the future
  • The prudence of personal preparation

Click here to read the transcript for this podcast.

 

 

 

 

Chris Martenson:  Yeah, that one. [Laughter]

Bud Conrad:  It requires something like fifteen thousand nuclear reactors to meet it. We can’t do it just with nuclear. We need many more sources of energy. The only ones that are sort of – call it – creation or renewable are solar. But everything and you have a chapter on this – all these things added together from ethanol to switch graft to mirrors to photovoltaic to tides to geothermal – don’t amount to enough to make a difference. Even when added together. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t be trying on all of them. And I think one that probably will work in probably a backward way, is conservation, because in fact we are somewhat egregious, particularly in the United States in our usage. We are doing some things to insulate houses better and maybe drive smaller cars, but by and large we haven’t hit the wall in the normal cultural methods that could make a difference of conservation. But that will happen when the price of a gallon of gasoline hits ten bucks, not necessarily just because we are all good guys trying to help the planet of our friend and neighbor.

Chris Martenson:  And here’s the thing, conversation is absolutely the number one thing we can and should be doing. It's a no-brainer.

Bud Conrad:  I just want to emphasize that with a big "agree" – yes, go on.

Chris Martenson:  And here’s the thing I can’t figure out – how do you create more debt through conservation? [Laughter]

Bud Conrad:  I haven’t quite thought of it that way.

Chris Martenson:  That’s the –

Bud Conrad:  – create debt and is creating debt and will do so, but yeah I think of that somewhat separately. Now what is your method of linking them together?

Chris Martenson:  Well, here’s the thing: I just have this view that unless our economy is growing by which I mean unless our debt is constantly expanding, prior debts can’t be serviced.

Bud Conrad:  Yeah.

Chris Martenson:  So there has to be a story, which says that we have to continually be increasing our debts. Conservation, to flip over to the other side of the story, is absolutely the right thing to be doing on every dimension, except one. You can’t support the expansion of debt through conservation. I haven’t figured out how to do it yet. Because conservation is fundamentally about not creating – it's about not using something and so that is why I think we are not even looking at it in this country, because it doesn’t support our dominate narrative, which is this is who we are. We are a nation of consumers. We have a growth story. We link prosperity and growth – we want that story to continue going. Conservation doesn’t fit into that story. It has no place, it's the odd man out, and it gets pushed on the sofa in a corner at the party.

So I think that we still have a really big disconnect between what we should be doing and what we are still trying to do, because we just fundamentally have the wrong narrative in our heads. I look at what happened at Deep Water first, at Fukushima second, at who knows what third – maybe Bahrain – all of these things are around telling us something about our energy infrastructure, about the role of energy and the warning if we are going to heed it I think, is to say – wow something has shifted, what do we have to do to prepare for that? What should we be doing differently? What should we stop doing? What new things should we be doing. There is all kinds of stuff that comes up from that, but only if you have the right story. So long as we have this other story playing, which is – you know what we really need is we need to get people working again and we need to get our economy growing before we can have that conversation. So we are going to support QE1, 2, 3 . . . QE18, I think is how Mark Faber put it on TV the other day.

Bud Conrad:  Yeah, I saw that interview. [Laughter]

Chris Martenson:  So we are going to just keep trying the things that don’t work, you know definition of insanity, all of that, right? So I am jut wondering from your position, what is it going to take for us as a nation or maybe as a globe to start really getting – I am not saying we have the right story, I am saying this story deserves a place at the table though. What will it take A; to get that place at the table and B; what are you seeing with the people that you work with in terms of number of people who are now getting it, from different sectors and parts of society?

Bud Conrad:  Boy, I wish I had a simple clean answer to it all.

Chris Martenson:  Yeah, me too.

Bud Conrad:  I can’t let me try a few little pieces. We at Casey Research do have a pretty good reading through multiple newsletters and we put on conferences. I will be speaking in Boca Raton and unfortunately the conference is now sold out – at the end of April. The title of my speech will be Economy, Empire and Energy. Not a little unlike your book, with three “E’s,” different “E’s” but they are talking about some of the same things. You mentioned Mark Trevor, he also spoke at our conference in Las Vegas a couple a years ago and I had a chance to chat with him a little bit afterwards, but anyway – we do have people that get it and that was my starting point. We have even something called, “Casey’s Files” where we get together with local groups and people just trade

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