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by Chris Martenson

Note:  This is most of a recent Martenson Report that I am making public after numerous requests to do so.  Normally I reserve such reports for at least several months before general release. I’ve only left off my conclusions about what this all implies about the future. One member from Germany (thank you Michael!) has translated this piece into German and that appears as a downloadable attachment at the bottom of the article.


Preamble: I normally avoid writing on Global Warming/Climate Change as a topic for discussion because it tends to be a heated topic for many people on both sides, which can work against collaborative solutions. This article is not about global warming and/or the science behind it, and it is not my intention to discuss those ideas here.



I want to point out that a massive discrepancy exists between the official pronouncements emerging from Copenhagen on carbon emissions and recent government actions to spur economic growth.

Before and during Copenhagen (and after, too, we can be sure), politicians and central bankers across the globe have worked tirelessly to return the global economy to a path of growth.  We need more jobs, we are told; we need economic growth, we need more people consuming more things.  Growth is the ever-constant word on politicians’ lips.  Official actions amounting to tens of trillions of dollars speak to the fact that this is, in fact, our number-one global priority.

But the consensus coming out of Copenhagen is that carbon emissions have to be reduced by a vast amount over the next few decades. 

These two ideas are mutually exclusive.  You can’t have both.

Copenhagen & Economic Growth – You Can’t Have Both
by Chris Martenson

Note:  This is most of a recent Martenson Report that I am making public after numerous requests to do so.  Normally I reserve such reports for at least several months before general release. I’ve only left off my conclusions about what this all implies about the future. One member from Germany (thank you Michael!) has translated this piece into German and that appears as a downloadable attachment at the bottom of the article.


Preamble: I normally avoid writing on Global Warming/Climate Change as a topic for discussion because it tends to be a heated topic for many people on both sides, which can work against collaborative solutions. This article is not about global warming and/or the science behind it, and it is not my intention to discuss those ideas here.



I want to point out that a massive discrepancy exists between the official pronouncements emerging from Copenhagen on carbon emissions and recent government actions to spur economic growth.

Before and during Copenhagen (and after, too, we can be sure), politicians and central bankers across the globe have worked tirelessly to return the global economy to a path of growth.  We need more jobs, we are told; we need economic growth, we need more people consuming more things.  Growth is the ever-constant word on politicians’ lips.  Official actions amounting to tens of trillions of dollars speak to the fact that this is, in fact, our number-one global priority.

But the consensus coming out of Copenhagen is that carbon emissions have to be reduced by a vast amount over the next few decades. 

These two ideas are mutually exclusive.  You can’t have both.

by Chris Martenson
Saturday, December 19, 2009

Executive Summary

  • Carbon reduction and economic growth are mutually exclusive goals.
  • Alternative energy sources and technologies are decades away from making a significant contribution.
  • The core problem lies with our monetary system itself.
  • Politicians are in a real bind.
  • If we were really serious…
  • The way forward.

Preamble: I normally avoid writing on Global Warming/Climate Change as a topic for discussion because it tends to be a heated topic for many people on both sides, which can work against collaborative solutions. This article is not about global warming and/or the science behind it, and it is not my intention to discuss those ideas here.


Copenhagen & Economic Growth – You Can’t Have Both

I want to point out that a massive discrepancy exists between the official pronouncements emerging from Copenhagen on carbon emissions and recent government actions to spur economic growth.

Before and during Copenhagen (and after, too, we can be sure), politicians and central bankers across the globe have worked tirelessly to return the global economy to a path of growth.  We need more jobs, we are told; we need economic growth, we need more people consuming more things.  Growth is the ever-constant word on politicians’ lips.  Official actions amounting to tens of trillions of dollars speak to the fact that this is, in fact, our number-one global priority.

But the consensus coming out of Copenhagen is that carbon emissions have to be reduced by a vast amount over the next few decades. 

These two ideas are mutually exclusive.  You can’t have both.

Why Copenhagen Is A Failure
PREVIEW by Chris Martenson
Saturday, December 19, 2009

Executive Summary

  • Carbon reduction and economic growth are mutually exclusive goals.
  • Alternative energy sources and technologies are decades away from making a significant contribution.
  • The core problem lies with our monetary system itself.
  • Politicians are in a real bind.
  • If we were really serious…
  • The way forward.

Preamble: I normally avoid writing on Global Warming/Climate Change as a topic for discussion because it tends to be a heated topic for many people on both sides, which can work against collaborative solutions. This article is not about global warming and/or the science behind it, and it is not my intention to discuss those ideas here.


Copenhagen & Economic Growth – You Can’t Have Both

I want to point out that a massive discrepancy exists between the official pronouncements emerging from Copenhagen on carbon emissions and recent government actions to spur economic growth.

Before and during Copenhagen (and after, too, we can be sure), politicians and central bankers across the globe have worked tirelessly to return the global economy to a path of growth.  We need more jobs, we are told; we need economic growth, we need more people consuming more things.  Growth is the ever-constant word on politicians’ lips.  Official actions amounting to tens of trillions of dollars speak to the fact that this is, in fact, our number-one global priority.

But the consensus coming out of Copenhagen is that carbon emissions have to be reduced by a vast amount over the next few decades. 

These two ideas are mutually exclusive.  You can’t have both.

by Chris Martenson

One thing that’s become as reliable as clockwork is for stocks to weaken and for Treasuries to firm up right before a big auction.  Today is no exception.  The reason, such as it is, being given by the media for today’s move is this:

Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) — Stocks, gold and oil fell, Treasuries advanced and the yen and dollar strengthened as credit-rating companies highlighted the risk of government deficits and German industrial production unexpectedly dropped.

Call me suspicious, but I seriously doubt anybody is paying much attention to the ratings companies these days, nor should they, after their uninterrupted string of disastrous performances beginning with Enron and proceeding through the entire subprime debacle.  So I don’t think Treasuries firmed up that much on the basis of the mumblings of the credit-ratings companies.

A Faith Worse Than Debt
PREVIEW by Chris Martenson

One thing that’s become as reliable as clockwork is for stocks to weaken and for Treasuries to firm up right before a big auction.  Today is no exception.  The reason, such as it is, being given by the media for today’s move is this:

Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) — Stocks, gold and oil fell, Treasuries advanced and the yen and dollar strengthened as credit-rating companies highlighted the risk of government deficits and German industrial production unexpectedly dropped.

Call me suspicious, but I seriously doubt anybody is paying much attention to the ratings companies these days, nor should they, after their uninterrupted string of disastrous performances beginning with Enron and proceeding through the entire subprime debacle.  So I don’t think Treasuries firmed up that much on the basis of the mumblings of the credit-ratings companies.

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